Levels, leveling, level caps, and level 20 - Page 28 - Guild Wars Forums

Opeth11 · May 13, 2006, 01:15 AM // 01:15

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Originally Posted by heavenscloud2

lvling in guild wars isnt the same as raising lvl in other game. u dont get much out of lvling. guild wars emphizes that PLAYING the game is fun, NOT lvling up

You get a lot out of leveling. Health, Attribute points. Game developers wanted players to hit their maximum potential in terms of health as soon as possible.

jimmy_logic · May 13, 2006, 01:22 AM // 01:22

The system is perfect the way it is now... I don't need anything else that will unbalance the game. By that I mean how certain Alliances can hold certain places because of the size they are so your kinda stuck if your in a small Alliance. There are other things but I won't elaborate.

The level cap is perfect for all gamers as everyone is on an even level. There are other things you can grind to in the game such as Fame/Faction/Gold/Map Exploration. If you want levels play another game as Guild Wars is about skills not how long you have played. In fact that was one thing that put me off buying WoW, high level peeps that think its funny jumping on low level guys.

Regards

Tarun · May 13, 2006, 01:23 AM // 01:23

Opeth11 -> Discrimination already exists with the current system, sadly enough. Both PvP and PvE. In PvE, look at Elona, Thirsty and Dunes.

True, you get a lot out of leveling. ANet also said that leveling to 20 and ascending was something special, to be proud of. How can you feel proud or unique if everyone around you is just like you? There should be a little something (besides profession and skills) to make you stand out or be a bit more different than everyone else. The current system seems a bit black and white. :\

Opeth11 · May 13, 2006, 01:27 AM // 01:27

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Originally Posted by Tarun

Opeth11 -> Discrimination already exists with the current system, sadly enough. Both PvP and PvE. In PvE, look at Elona, Thirsty and Dunes.

Why have more?

^_^

luckystrikes03 · May 13, 2006, 01:29 AM // 01:29

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Originally Posted by Tarun

To me, it would be something to do and something to strive for. It would also be something I would care to do, moreso than try to get fame/faction from PvP. Sure you can farm, but after a while it gets kind of boring too. This lets you do something else to pass the time. Not saying change the HP/MP (though it'd be nice, even if it was every 10 levels you get an extra 10 HP). Even if it's a mere cosmetic change showing you level with your skill point, it would at least be something!

Hm, I think I'll expand on that. It truly could be purely cometic. You gain one skill point per level anyways, right? Well, if they don't change the HP/MP/attribute points after you hit level 20 and start to level up from there, it would only be for looks. Just like rank/fame/titles. It's just for looks, right? That would mean nothing in the game would have to change except for a number. You go to level 21 and get your skill point. No more extra HP/MP, no attribute points. Just a level number up and a skill point. Would there be anything wrong with that? I sure would not think so. :P

Ok, I'll expand on my post also:
15k/FoW armor (cosmetic to all), titles (cosmetic to all). You know it tells you the number of skill points you have earned, of course, only you can see this number so (cosmetic to you).

Levels in other MMO/RPGs was the standard. I dont think most can see past that concept. If you reach the level cap--be it,20, 40, 99, or 103.45--what would you do once you reach this magic number? Probably the same thing current "level-cap-achievers" do in all MMOs. Which just so happens to be the same thing GW players do, look for something to make themselves stand out.

I must admit, if your post-20 level was displayed, with no physical benifit, I'm pretty sure it would be easy to pop over to Elona and see which players were the bot farmers.

Linksys · May 13, 2006, 01:30 AM // 01:30

At first I thought it would be good if they raised the cap to level 25 or 30. But it doesn't matter to me anymore. Level 20 is fine. Even when you get to that level, there's still some room growth like armor, weapons, items, getting more attribute points, infusion, ascension, map exploration, skill points, elite skills, etc.

Loviatar · May 13, 2006, 01:39 AM // 01:39

the one thing constant over threads/sites/games is the i have to have a big number to prove i am better than someone else.

if i cant intimidate them with my power where is the fun

wow gankers are a good example.

if they made it so high level players could only interact with other high level players you would have the same complaint no matter how high the level.

as was said here

*How can you feel proud or unique if everyone around you is just like you? *

what a travesty being surrounded by equals

Oblivion Eopia · May 13, 2006, 01:40 AM // 01:40

u guys r ALL n00bs cept for Tarun! little n00blets need to learn and play the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOin game, u need to learn that lvl 20 is as far as u can go! you need to learn that This sint Wow and this isnt Everquest its RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOin GW! And believe me most people play this game cuzz its FREE and it rank higher than WoW! so dont give me this shit that "The main reason GW is soo 'good' is cuzz itscap is at lvl 20!" Thats bulshit!
Haventu ever played final fantasy games! i mean u actaully had to workl ur ass of to get somewhere! in GW u do 2 quests and ur at lvl 20 already! its bullshit, the lvl should be extended to a lot higher lvl cap!

LVL is the same as ur Rank= The moore u play the higher ur lvl, The more u play in HoH the higher ur Rank! Am i correct? Well take it like that metaphor i gave u! People like n00bs could acutallly start whoopin peoples asses cuzz they wouldplay soo much and people with " Lives" would complain their Asses off saying " Wow thisis gay im lvl 21 and i never play" Then bullshit to u!

People who play a game think their gonna get somethingout of it?? Wat u gonna get? Laid? A Girlfriend/Boyfriend? Sure people will say "O im having so much fun!" well screw you!

Raise the damn cap lvl! Even ifits only to lvl 25 RAISE it Guildwars would be better with a cap change! believe me, you could tell

for gods sake some1 persuade anet to EVENTUALLY change the lvl cap

PLZ PLZ PLZ!

Ryn Tyn Tyn · May 13, 2006, 01:40 AM // 01:40

ANet please never raise the lvl cap. Why be just like all the other games out there anyway?

Besides the minute they raise the cap is the minute I look for another game.

As it is now as a casual player I can actually get to the cap in some reasonable time that is still fun for me. Most games have such high caps (and always increasing caps too) that by the time, casually playing, I even approach the cap I am sick and bored of the game. I'm sure I am not the only player out there who feels this way. I hate to grind for lvl sake.

Oblivion Eopia · May 13, 2006, 01:40 AM // 01:40

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Originally Posted by Ryn Tyn Tyn

ANet please never raise the lvl cap. Why be just like all the other games out there anyway?

Besides the minute they raise the cap is the minute I look for another game.

As it is now as a casual player I can actually get to the cap in some reasonable time that is still fun for me. Most games have such high caps (and always increasing caps too) that by the time, casually playing, I even approach the cap I am sick and bored of the game. I'm sure I am not the only player out there who feels this way. I hate to grind for lvl sake.

Who ever votes 'do notraise cap' Are RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOIN N00blets!

Loviatar · May 13, 2006, 01:47 AM // 01:47

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Originally Posted by Oblivion Eopia

Who ever votes 'do notraise cap' Are RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOIN N00blets!

i voted no.

since levels have a fairly steady relation to time played simple suggestion occured to me.

PUT A NICE BIG GREEN CLOCK THAT STAYED OVER YOUR HEAD TO SHOW HOW ELITE YOU ARE

with a toggle off for most normal people

luckystrikes03 · May 13, 2006, 01:48 AM // 01:48

I'm sorry Oblivion, all i heard in both your posts was:

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BLAH BLAH BLAH I'm a 12 year old little boy who still thinks girls have cooties BLAH

Seriously man, grow up. And while your at it, learn to spell, type, and think in something close to the English language. Now go get on that little RED SHORTTRAIN that you road in on. Its past your bed time anyway. Why havent you been banned yet?

Opeth11 · May 13, 2006, 01:51 AM // 01:51

Oblivion Eopia

1. Read the thread
2. Find reasons why there shouldn't be changes.
3. Go to school.
4. Learn how to type.
5. Apply grammar to your sentences.
6. Read your post over again and ponder how stupid you appear to be.

And everyone is a 'n00blet' except for the OP? Even people who agreed with change?

Somehow, your intelligence fails to change my point of view on this subject.

edit: Your attempt to use the word ''metaphor" was amusing.
www.dictionary.com

Use it.

Tarun · May 13, 2006, 01:54 AM // 01:54

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Originally Posted by luckystrikes03

I'm sorry Oblivion, all i heard in both your posts was:

Seriously man, grow up. And while your at it, learn to spell, type, and think in something close to the English language. Now go get on that little RED SHORTTRAIN that you road in on. Its past your bed time anyway. Why havent you been banned yet?

Oblivion does have a point though. In all the other RPG's you had to level up and get stronger to progress through the game. That is after all a part of playing a Role Playing Game.

Just like PvP is fun to people, so is leveling up and grinding.

MCS · May 13, 2006, 01:55 AM // 01:55

Make me use the f*cking report post button.... I hate you all. I swear to god I'm going to beg to mod this forum and the suggestion forum, you'll never see another thread again.

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Just like PvP is fun to people, so is leveling up and grinding.

Well luckily for you every other RPG out there is a grindfest, go crazy. Stop trying to change every game into it. We don't like it we bought guildwars because knew it wouldn't be a grindfest. For f*cks sake that was half of guildwars marketing ploys. Why did you buy guildwars just to b*tch that you want it changed to every other game, why didn't you buy something else.

I'm going to go on a WoW forum and demand that the level cap be lowered to 20.

Opeth11 · May 13, 2006, 01:59 AM // 01:59

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Originally Posted by Tarun

In all the other RPG's you had to level up and get stronger to progress through the game.

People in Guild Wars level up and progress.

Keyword in that quote : other

Other RPGs, as other posters have mentioned, are different games. If the game of Guild Wars was created with a low level cap, maybe there's a reason behind it?

Just a thought.

edit:

Quote:

Originally Posted by MCS

I'm going to go on a WoW forum and demand that the level cap be lowered to 20.

I bet you will make thousands of e-buddies.

Tarun · May 13, 2006, 02:06 AM // 02:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Opeth11

People in Guild Wars level up and progress.

Keyword in that quote : other

Other RPGs, as other posters have mentioned, are different games. If the game of Guild Wars was created with a low level cap, maybe there's a reason behind it?

Just a thought.

edit:

I bet you will make thousands of e-buddies.

Well, how would you feel if that gave you the option to do something else in the game?

So far, GW is the only RPG I know of that limits you in so many way in the name of balance. Though even with the cap raised, there would still be balance; all things take time however.

Loviatar · May 13, 2006, 02:08 AM // 02:08

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Originally Posted by Tarun

Just like PvP is fun to people, so is leveling up and grinding.

true and to each his/her own but one thing is certain and that no matter how much you want to grind levels you wont get it.

the reason is very simple and it is that the whole game down to bedrock was designed around the balance of the power you will have at level 20.

the other thing is that almost a year ago there was a giant forum flood of grindmonkeys saying raise the level or i will go where i can grind and tell all my friends how bad this game is.

Anet didnt raise it then and they left in a huff.

somehow the game survived and if you truly need to grind there are other games out there

luckystrikes03 · May 13, 2006, 02:08 AM // 02:08

Tarun, we already read between the lines in what you said prevously. Obliv just cant do that, so he had to post it. I'm glad someone can understand what he says though.

Anyway, do you not level up and get stronger in this game too? Again, no matter what the level cap is, what are you going to do when you reach it?

Believe it or not, I am a PvE player who is seeing PvP on the horizon. Profs was slanted toward, actually drives the player toward, PvP. Factions is even more so. we almost need to face the light, Guild Wars was never meant to cater to us RPGMMO'ers. I think most of the problem with this fact is that, the PVP in factions is alot closer to an First Person Shooter than RPG setting. Thats not to say factions should be compared to CS/CoD/BF.

Dr Strangelove · May 13, 2006, 02:11 AM // 02:11

Oblivion, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

-Billy Madison

Consider for a moment that the level cap is raised to 40. The immediate reaction would be for everyone to grind their way to 40, making things... exactly the same. Perhaps your skill is supposed to improve over time, not just some little number by your name. In another thread, someone suggested we make a macro that adds a 0 to every number in the game for these people who want a higher level cap. that way, you can have your 5000 life and deal hundreds of damage to every enemy and feel all the more l33t for it.

View Poll Results: Should the cap be raised sometime in the future?
No	117	61.90%
Yes	43	22.75%
Maybe after a couple of expansions	31	16.40%
Make the players that level up not allowed to be in arena battles	15	7.94%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 189. You may not vote on this poll

May 13, 2006, 01:51 AM // 01:51	#553
Opeth11 Desert Nomad Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Richmond, British Columbia, Kanada Guild: Demon of the Fall [Opet] Profession: Mo/Me	Oblivion Eopia 1. Read the thread 2. Find reasons why there shouldn't be changes. 3. Go to school. 4. Learn how to type. 5. Apply grammar to your sentences. 6. Read your post over again and ponder how stupid you appear to be. And everyone is a 'n00blet' except for the OP? Even people who agreed with change? Somehow, your intelligence fails to change my point of view on this subject. edit: Your attempt to use the word ''metaphor" was amusing. www.dictionary.com Use it. Last edited by Opeth11; May 13, 2006 at 01:54 AM // 01:54..

May 13, 2006, 02:11 AM // 02:11	#560
Dr Strangelove Furnace Stoker Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wasting away again in Margaritaville Guild: [HOTR]	Oblivion, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. -Billy Madison Consider for a moment that the level cap is raised to 40. The immediate reaction would be for everyone to grind their way to 40, making things... exactly the same. Perhaps your skill is supposed to improve over time, not just some little number by your name. In another thread, someone suggested we make a macro that adds a 0 to every number in the game for these people who want a higher level cap. that way, you can have your 5000 life and deal hundreds of damage to every enemy and feel all the more l33t for it. Last edited by Dr Strangelove; May 13, 2006 at 02:15 AM // 02:15..

May 13, 2006, 01:22 AM // 01:22	#542
jimmy_logic Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2005 Profession: R/	The system is perfect the way it is now... I don't need anything else that will unbalance the game. By that I mean how certain Alliances can hold certain places because of the size they are so your kinda stuck if your in a small Alliance. There are other things but I won't elaborate. The level cap is perfect for all gamers as everyone is on an even level. There are other things you can grind to in the game such as Fame/Faction/Gold/Map Exploration. If you want levels play another game as Guild Wars is about skills not how long you have played. In fact that was one thing that put me off buying WoW, high level peeps that think its funny jumping on low level guys. Regards

May 13, 2006, 01:23 AM // 01:23	#543
Tarun Technician's Corner Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The TARDIS Guild: http://www.lunarsoft.net/ http://forums.lunarsoft.net/	Opeth11 -> Discrimination already exists with the current system, sadly enough. Both PvP and PvE. In PvE, look at Elona, Thirsty and Dunes. True, you get a lot out of leveling. ANet also said that leveling to 20 and ascending was something special, to be proud of. How can you feel proud or unique if everyone around you is just like you? There should be a little something (besides profession and skills) to make you stand out or be a bit more different than everyone else. The current system seems a bit black and white. :\

May 13, 2006, 01:30 AM // 01:30	#546
Linksys Jungle Guide Join Date: Apr 2006	At first I thought it would be good if they raised the cap to level 25 or 30. But it doesn't matter to me anymore. Level 20 is fine. Even when you get to that level, there's still some room growth like armor, weapons, items, getting more attribute points, infusion, ascension, map exploration, skill points, elite skills, etc.

May 13, 2006, 01:39 AM // 01:39	#547
Loviatar Underworld Spelunker Join Date: Feb 2005	the one thing constant over threads/sites/games is the i have to have a big number to prove i am better than someone else. if i cant intimidate them with my power where is the fun wow gankers are a good example. if they made it so high level players could only interact with other high level players you would have the same complaint no matter how high the level. as was said here How can you feel proud or unique if everyone around you is just like you? what a travesty being surrounded by equals

May 13, 2006, 01:40 AM // 01:40	#548
Oblivion Eopia Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: Heroes of Might Profession: Mo/Me	u guys r ALL n00bs cept for Tarun! little n00blets need to learn and play the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOin game, u need to learn that lvl 20 is as far as u can go! you need to learn that This sint Wow and this isnt Everquest its RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOin GW! And believe me most people play this game cuzz its FREE and it rank higher than WoW! so dont give me this shit that "The main reason GW is soo 'good' is cuzz itscap is at lvl 20!" Thats bulshit! Haventu ever played final fantasy games! i mean u actaully had to workl ur ass of to get somewhere! in GW u do 2 quests and ur at lvl 20 already! its bullshit, the lvl should be extended to a lot higher lvl cap! LVL is the same as ur Rank= The moore u play the higher ur lvl, The more u play in HoH the higher ur Rank! Am i correct? Well take it like that metaphor i gave u! People like n00bs could acutallly start whoopin peoples asses cuzz they wouldplay soo much and people with " Lives" would complain their Asses off saying " Wow thisis gay im lvl 21 and i never play" Then bullshit to u! People who play a game think their gonna get somethingout of it?? Wat u gonna get? Laid? A Girlfriend/Boyfriend? Sure people will say "O im having so much fun!" well screw you! Raise the damn cap lvl! Even ifits only to lvl 25 RAISE it Guildwars would be better with a cap change! believe me, you could tell for gods sake some1 persuade anet to EVENTUALLY change the lvl cap PLZ PLZ PLZ!

May 13, 2006, 01:40 AM // 01:40	#549
Ryn Tyn Tyn Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2006	ANet please never raise the lvl cap. Why be just like all the other games out there anyway? Besides the minute they raise the cap is the minute I look for another game. As it is now as a casual player I can actually get to the cap in some reasonable time that is still fun for me. Most games have such high caps (and always increasing caps too) that by the time, casually playing, I even approach the cap I am sick and bored of the game. I'm sure I am not the only player out there who feels this way. I hate to grind for lvl sake.

May 13, 2006, 02:08 AM // 02:08	#559
luckystrikes03 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2006	Tarun, we already read between the lines in what you said prevously. Obliv just cant do that, so he had to post it. I'm glad someone can understand what he says though. Anyway, do you not level up and get stronger in this game too? Again, no matter what the level cap is, what are you going to do when you reach it? Believe it or not, I am a PvE player who is seeing PvP on the horizon. Profs was slanted toward, actually drives the player toward, PvP. Factions is even more so. we almost need to face the light, Guild Wars was never meant to cater to us RPGMMO'ers. I think most of the problem with this fact is that, the PVP in factions is alot closer to an First Person Shooter than RPG setting. Thats not to say factions should be compared to CS/CoD/BF.